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Postby Aggroton » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:55 pm

Anyone a member?

Just curious.


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Re: SRA

Postby Jaeger » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:36 pm

I suppose I'm more of a https://www.liberalgunowners.org/ kind of guy, but I'm open to suggestions.

I know one fucking thing: I do NOT want Prez Fuckhead to be the only guy with guns. No.

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Re: SRA

Postby DerGolgo » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:11 am

Interesting. Very, very interesting.
Not that participating in or even just joining either group would be an option for me.

But I think it's ever so interesting how the evil "socialism" seems to be loosing it's traditionally hated luster in the US and is becoming more and more interesting to more and more parts of that society.
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Re: SRA

Postby xtian » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:57 pm

DerGolgo wrote:Interesting. Very, very interesting.
Not that participating in or even just joining either group would be an option for me.

But I think it's ever so interesting how the evil "socialism" seems to be loosing it's traditionally hated luster in the US and is becoming more and more interesting to more and more parts of that society.


or is it just provocative, like "terrist'" ?
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Re: SRA

Postby DerGolgo » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:23 pm

xtian wrote:
or is it just provocative, like "terrist'" ?


I don't think it is. Ever since Orange Thunder™ pimped into office, I've been reading about "reds with guns" and suchlike. Out and out lefty groups, getting together to prepare self defense against right-wing militias. No jokes, no humor, not even incoherent ramblings. But what looks like legit political messages, and people with red bandanas and M16s guarding lefty political events.

Keep in mind that, for a while there, it looked like the Democrats might run a self-professing "democratic socialist", and that the polls had him eviscerate the Drumpf.
He was popular, had popular support. All while waving a big, red "socialist" banner all over his campaign.

Before 2008, people who hadn't seen their real incomes improve since the 1970s, while cost of living just kept climbing, could tell themselves they were still moving on up because they could borrow money for fictitious interest rates. Could send the kids to a good school, and own a jet-ski.
It's been 10 years, and a big lot of people are still hurting, while a bigger lot sees them hurting. The sheen of the capitalist fairy-tale is washing off.
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Re: SRA

Postby Skkot » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:23 pm

The other thing I have noticed besides folks fearing less the concept of socialism than the realities of capitalism, is that many of my left friends have taken a new keen interest in their 2nd Amendment rights in the last few years, as evidenced by the above-mentioned organizations. I'll pass those along.
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Re: SRA

Postby motorpsycho67 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:23 pm

Jaeger wrote:I know one fucking thing: I do NOT want Prez Fuckhead to be the only guy with guns. No.

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Can you elaborate on that?
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Re: SRA

Postby Jaeger » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:27 am

motorpsycho67 wrote:
Jaeger wrote:I know one fucking thing: I do NOT want Prez Fuckhead to be the only guy with guns. No.


Can you elaborate on that?


I just don't like the idea that any gubmint -- especially a bunch of malevolent kleptocrats with a history of openly supporting murderous dictators -- would have a complete monopoly on violence/power. That was and is, in my view, the point of the 2A. I'll absolutely concede that America has a problem with guns as evidenced by the batshit-crazy school/church/synagogue/etc shootings on the news all the time. I don't know how to reconcile these things.

I don't trust the gubmint in general, and I sure as shit don't trust Trump. I'm pretty convinced he'd go full-blown Stalin and purge his opponents if given half a chance. Hell, he's said as much! "Lock her up!"

The current political fuckery will be solved one of two ways: voting or shooting. I wish with all my heart that it's the former. I expect it will be, honestly, as nobody with any sense wants to see another civil war. That, and I don't think we as a culture are intellectually/emotionally prepared to deal with such a thing. Unlike the 1860s, I expect the union would ultimately crumble.

To be clear, it's not like I think I personally would stand a chance against the U.S. Army or some trained military force. I'm not fuckin' Rambo. At best, I figure I could only buy time/opportunity for my family to run away, and maybe I'd get lucky? I dunno. One schmuck with a rifle is really not that huge a deal in the grander scheme of things.

However, a few million angry citizens with guns seems like enough of a deterrent to keep us from going full-blown martial-law autocracy. It's also a nice deterrent for anybody who'd want to invade us. Ask the Afghans how the tactic is working for them...

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Re: SRA

Postby motorpsycho67 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:43 am

Jaeger wrote:

However, a few million angry citizens with guns seems like enough of a deterrent to keep us from going full-blown martial-law autocracy. It's also a nice deterrent for anybody who'd want to invade us. Ask the Afghans how the tactic is working for them...

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Not so well, apparently.


I've always found this point of view quite humorous.

The military could squash any type of insurrection from the comfort of their office chairs. They're organized and efficient. Us, not so much.

In my opinion, the 2nd Amendment is a fucking joke. Ineffectual placation for the delusional. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
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Re: SRA

Postby Pattio » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:37 am

I clicked on the link to the sra and I am unclear on what way their goals and priorities do not exactly align with those of the NRA, which is to say, fighting against any limit on the profitability and reach of the consumer weapons industry. As such I consider the idea to be fuckery and a likely fraud.

If it is a fraud of the kind I am imagining, it is an excellent example of the tactics of the (mis)information-based war that the US lost before we even understood there was a war going on. While the military-industrial complex spends trillions building arms, an expenditure of millions of dollars to pay hundreds of people to sit at keyboards churning out this kind of thing has created ambiguity and uncertainty and led to the US arguably self-destructing.
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Re: SRA

Postby rc26 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:27 am

Pattio wrote:I clicked on the link to the sra and I am unclear on what way their goals and priorities do not exactly align with those of the NRA, which is to say, fighting against any limit on the profitability and reach of the consumer weapons industry. As such I consider the idea to be fuckery and a likely fraud.


It seems as if they share the same ideas as the NRA when it comes to opposing an AWB.

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