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Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Pattio » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:54 pm

I enjoy the limited-production wristwatches this author makes under his personal brand, and now I like them even more with the knowledge that he used to ride a sweet T3 Speed Triple!

http://www.janistrading.com/blog/an-industry-near-death-the-reports-may-be-grossly-exaggerated/?mc_cid=01b9c1e0f6&mc_eid=7331e735cd
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:40 am

Ha! They're going to be at the DC Watch Show this weekend. If he's there I'll tell him you liked his story. :D

www.dcwatchshow.com

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Skkot » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:38 am

Funny, I've been thinking of whether a wristwatch would be useful to me. I have not been able to justify it. I know it would just get smashed. Never had that consideration about motorcycles.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:05 pm

Skkot wrote:Funny, I've been thinking of whether a wristwatch would be useful to me. I have not been able to justify it. I know it would just get smashed. Never had that consideration about motorcycles.


As someone who's still relatively new to watches, I can tell you there's something weirdly satisfying about mechanical timepieces. Abso-fucknig-lutely everything else seems to be more electronic gizmos, but it's... comforting and amusing to have something that's powered by YOU and is effectively independent of the modern world.

YMMV.

Still, I'd suggest coming down if you're otherwise bored Sunday afternoon. You know how to find me. :mrgreen:

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Pattio » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:27 am

Jaeger wrote:Ha! They're going to be at the DC Watch Show this weekend. If he's there I'll tell him you liked his story. :D

http://www.dcwatchshow.com

(Also very curious about their watches...)

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Please by all means give him my regards as a happy customer. I have a Devil Ray which I love and have pre-ordered a Skipjack. The Devil Ray exudes quality, and even got a compliment from the local jeweler who does my bracelet sizing.
nNot being tuned into ‘microbrands’, he gave off a clear where-did-you-get-this vibe. :-)
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:18 am

Pattio wrote:Please by all means give him my regards as a happy customer. I have a Devil Ray which I love and have pre-ordered a Skipjack. The Devil Ray exudes quality, and even got a compliment from the local jeweler who does my bracelet sizing.
nNot being tuned into ‘microbrands’, he gave off a clear where-did-you-get-this vibe. :-)


I'm just curious to see what they have at the show considering their website basically says they're sold out of everything!

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Skkot » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:32 pm

Brother Jeager I totally get what you mean about the fascination with the purely mechanical analog doohickey. I'm particularly interested in the Vortic Watch Co. (vorticwatches.com) but there is still the overwhelming sense of inherent smashiness that I tend to be prone to which inhibits my willingness to invest in such a nifty artifact.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Pattio » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:48 pm

I find the Vortic watches quite nifty myself. I would also feel pretty cautious about wearing one. I gravitate to ‘diver’ watches for their relative sturdiness.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:12 pm

Skkot wrote:Brother Jeager I totally get what you mean about the fascination with the purely mechanical analog doohickey.


It's really weird. I usually try to treat tools as tools, especially ones that I'd consider as every-day carry (EDC). I mean, quartz watches are simply more rugged and accurate, period.

You could make the argument that the automatics don't need batteries, but neither to solar-powered or the Seiko "Kinetic" movements.

I got my first automatic—a cheap Seiko SNZG--simply to have a back-up watch for when my battery died... and then I just fell in love with it.

Skkot wrote:I'm particularly interested in the Vortic Watch Co. (vorticwatches.com) but there is still the overwhelming sense of inherent smashiness that I tend to be prone to which inhibits my willingness to invest in such a nifty artifact.


Pattio wrote:I find the Vortic watches quite nifty myself. I would also feel pretty cautious about wearing one. I gravitate to ‘diver’ watches for their relative sturdiness.


I've seen the Vortic watches and think they're awesome too. In fact, I have a couple of old heirloom watches sitting in my safe -- where they're doing precisely no good whatsoever -- and at least one of them would make a good donor movement. (The other is engraved to my Grandad, it'll go to my kids.)

However, I have the same reservations about the Vortics.

Someone very smart once told me "never EDC anything you can't afford to lose or destroy." That seemed like very wise advice and I've tried to stick with it. To me, the guys wearing Rolexes are wearing a big sign on their head that says "MUG ME." (Consider that your typical Rolex will easily go for $8-12K.)

But the deeper I get into these the more my boundaries widen. I used to say I'd never buy a watch that cost more than $100. Nowadays I have a few that are significantly more than that, but nothing even close to $1k... which I've sort've set as my new "reasonable limit." I suppose that's a combination of having more disposable income and generally realigning my priorities. :P

And yes, I'm finding that I generally prefer divers too. I'm hoping to get my modded SKX back from the shop in time for DOOM so I can show Pattio. :D

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby DerGolgo » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:35 am

Jaeger wrote:Ha! They're going to be at the DC Watch Show this weekend. If he's there I'll tell him you liked his story. :D

http://www.dcwatchshow.com

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Pattio » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:53 am

Sooo many levels on which to talk about watches! On one important level they are a lot simpler than motorcycles- what they do and how they do it. They tell time. That's about it. When a person like me has a garage full of different motorcycles, its probably because they do different things. They go on or off road, or they are good for touring, or they are very fast, or they radiate patriotism, or what have you, but you end up with different ones for different tasks. If I choose to ride a dirt bike, a cruiser, a tourer, or a sport bike to the same coffee shop on different days, I am arguably treating them as jewelry, but they do in fact have different capabilities and are suited to different uses. Watches, on the other hand, tell time. You have to be entering a pretty specialized scenario to 'need' a watch with special capabilities besides telling time. I'm comfortable with the base concept that they are jewelry. My manliness is pleased by the idea that they 'do' something, by telling time, but we all know that the cell phone in my pocket does that adequately. So then we get to the question of whether jewelry does, in its own way, 'do' something. It certainly does. It can carry a personal and sentimental weight which no other person even needs to know or care about. Imagine a simple small thing like a ring- if it carries sentimental value, it is 'doing' that job even if its in your pocket. Jewelry can also broadcast status. This is easy to visualize with a neck laden with costly gold chains- they need not be identifiable in brand or noteworthy in design to broadcast that you own a lot of gold. Somewhat more subtly, and this is the area where watches really swim, is when recognizable design comes into the picture. I myself don't know a lot about fine jewelry or fashion jewelry, but there are absolutely those that do, and among these appreciative people wearing a piece of jewelry with a recognizable design can carry quite complex messaging about not just economic strength but also style and discernment.

I have a longstanding personal relationship with the concept of the Rolex Submariner, without ever having owned one. I'm still personally unclear as to whether I aspire to own one. I know I 'like' them. I know James Bond has worn one (among other watches). I know that a high school coach wore a battered one. I know that the protagonist of a series of pulpy survivalist gun-porn novels I consumed at that time in my life wore one (and as you can imagine, name-checked it frequently while dispatching adversaries with his equally name-checked knives and sidearms). I know that they are expensive to buy new, and not inexpensive to buy used, and that there is significant risk of counterfeit and mis-representation when doing so. I know that they have instant recognizability among lay-people as a thing that has a high dollar cost, and I also know that they have a perceived rarity which is a complete myth- they are a mass-produced product that are sold for a ridiculous markup over the cost of manufacture in quantities that are not limited in any way whatsoever. My high school coach professed surprise when I asked him about the watch in the context of it being valuable. He had bought it off a college roommate in his own youth when his roommate needed money. He'd paid $40 for it, and gone on to wear it daily for decades after, needing nothing more as an EDC than a sturdy, nice looking watch built to last. That's a story I wish I could tell. How the interesting watch on my wrist came to me through a personal story other than 'I can afford fancy things'. If I walked into a jeweler tomorrow and bought a new Submariner it would come with the latter story and not the former. One of my favorite recollected quotes about the Rolex Submariner was someone saying that they valued its practicality, in the sense that they knew that they could trade it for a horse or a rowboat, if not possibly even a jeep, in any far flung place where the need might arise. That's a good encapsulation of how 'expensive' can be spun into 'valuable' by imagining a scenario where the value could be traded to meet a practical (and ruggedly romantic) need.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:33 am

It's an interesting point to compare bikes to jewelry -- there's certainly a strong declaration of a particular "style" by one's motorcycle selection. Put another way, you can often tell quite a lot about someone by the selection and/or configuration of their motorcycle (e.g., " 'MURKIA!" or "I believe form follows function" or "I like to ride very long distances in the company of my own head" or "I like to go reeeeeally fast and evade the cops").

I hadn't considered the "jewelry" aspect of bikes, tho, at least not quite in that way. At the very least, it's a statement to walk into a restaurant wearing leathers and plunking down your helmet.

Likewise, watch choice does broadcast something about your personality, though I'm not as good at reading the latter (watches). It's at least one reason I'm... cautious about my choices. I like quality, artistry, function, and design, but I strongly dislike ostentation and what I consider vulgar displays of wealth. That's at least part of my problem with the Rolex set—it's one thing if they'd buy a $10k watch and use it as it was intended, but I'd wager 99% of those 30ATM-rated Rolex dive watches never see anything wetter than a men's-room sink.

Moreover, I can even appreciate that since it would be a goddamn catastrophe if the thing leaked. This gets back to the "don't carry anything you're not willing to destroy" I mentioned above. It's the same problem I have with driving a Bentley. You fart on the thing and it depreciates $10k.

And as for the style, there are so many quality homages to Rolex (e.g., Steinhart) that it seems absurd to drop that much coin simply to have the little logo on the dial. If you got one as a gift or when they were only a few hundred bucks, that's awesome, but as a CEO-level Beltway Bandit friend of mine who is also a watch geek volunteered, "D'ja ever notice that the guys who wear Rolexes are assholes?" (Mind you, he owns one -- in addition to a Seiko 5 and an Orient Bambino. :mrgreen:)

Another example would be the 1,000M dive watches when the world record for scuba diving is 332M. As someone said at the show Sunday, "It's just about bragging rights."

Speaking of the show:

1) Pattio, message delivered re the article. :)

2) I got to see a couple of Vortics! Check out a couple of pix HERE. There were a few of us standing around admiring them—and they are very cool—but the guys behind the counter admitted that they're not as rugged as say... well, basically anything else on the market. Bang them too hard and they're fucked. Effectively zero water resistance. :(

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby red » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:57 am

I have a swatch.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:24 pm

red wrote:I have a swatch.


BeemerDan and I apparently had the same Swatch back in the '80s:

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(He's apparently found one recently too, the bastard.)

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby red » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:59 am

Jaeger wrote:
red wrote:I have a swatch.


BeemerDan and I apparently had the same Swatch back in the '80s:

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(He's apparently found one recently too, the bastard.)

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Apparently, we all had that one! Although, the band on mine became too rigid to wear. I have a .beat swatch somewhere, back when they tried to make a timezone for the internet.

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Pattio » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:01 am

Jaeger wrote: I like quality, artistry, function, and design, but I strongly dislike ostentation and what I consider vulgar displays of wealth. That's at least part of my problem with the Rolex set—it's one thing if they'd buy a $10k watch and use it as it was intended, but I'd wager 99% of those 30ATM-rated Rolex dive watches never see anything wetter than a men's-room sink.

Moreover, I can even appreciate that since it would be a goddamn catastrophe if the thing leaked. This gets back to the "don't carry anything you're not willing to destroy" I mentioned above. It's the same problem I have with driving a Bentley. You fart on the thing and it depreciates $10k.

And as for the style, there are so many quality homages to Rolex (e.g., Steinhart) that it seems absurd to drop that much coin simply to have the little logo on the dial. If you got one as a gift or when they were only a few hundred bucks, that's awesome, but as a CEO-level Beltway Bandit friend of mine who is also a watch geek volunteered, "D'ja ever notice that the guys who wear Rolexes are assholes?"


The idea that one can 'like' the classic styling and function of a Submariner while having some pretty legit reasons _not_ to own a real one leads down the road to the homages. I have one straight-up homage, an Invicta. It was a gift from a friend and its nothing more than a Submariner copy with a Japanese movement and it says Invicta on the dial, so its not a 'fake', but it sure as hell is a copy. It dates to a time almost 20 years ago when Invicta was a little more reputable than the brand is now (currently they are known for truly cheap huge garish watches sold on cable shopping networks), so the Invicta name itself is a little cringeworthy, but it's an excellent 'beater', a watch that I can reach for when anticipating some risk.

The NTH watch that I have pre-ordered and hope to be wearing sometime in November is an homage. If one wants to get nerdy, far nerdier than me really, this blog post touches on how many different and very specific design references are drawn upon for the maker's many variations of submariner-inspired watches.

https://nthwatches.com/blogs/news/is-this-an-homage-if-so-to-or-of-what
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Aggroton » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:31 am

Invicta is still a hell of a fucking watch.
I aspire to own a Kobald.
I would like to acquire one just like in Pattio's fantasy. Or...
Better yet discovering one at a flea market and the seller may not know what he has.
Or better yet needs $40 bucks more than he needs the watch.

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Sisyphus » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:56 am

Interesting thread.
About 18 years ago I bought a Vollmer from a guy in Providence, RI. I had recently retired a pretty decent Timex that I wore the shit out of until the quartz crystal shit the bed. I needed something that was priced reasonably and I didn't want something that required a battery, so I looked into self-winders and came across the Vollmer brand. It was a boutique import, not many of them around, and I think I got it for an introductory price. I paid about $200 for it.
Fast forward to 2018 and the guy I purchased it from has died eight years ago and my particular watch is no longer available, though Vollmer is still in business as far as I can tell.
Since I only paid two hundred bucks, and it always seemed to work well, I never paid attention to it. Last year it started running funny and I took it to a jeweler in town. He was very interested in it, said it was a "very nice piece," cleaned it for me, reassembled it, and it keeps really good time. He gave me shit about not having it cleaned. Ever. I was like, "Cleaned? What for?"
He also told me it was worth far more than I paid for it back when I got it. Which really worried me, because I used to wear this at work and frequently pounded on things etc with it on. If you can imagine pounding your fist on something repeatedly off and on for about ten years you can imagine what a beating this thing must have taken.
Now I only wear it once in awhile, paranoid about wrecking it. Kinda makes me wish I had my old Timex.
Though it is a pilot's watch, and I don't fly an airplane, it did have some important features if you do celestial navigation: The minute/second chapter is OUTSIDE the face, while the hour chapter is inside. Because minutes and seconds are more important than the hours, just like flying.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:59 am

Sisyphus wrote:Interesting thread.
About 18 years ago I bought a Vollmer from a guy in Providence, RI.
...

Though it is a pilot's watch, and I don't fly an airplane, it did have some important features if you do celestial navigation: The minute/second chapter is OUTSIDE the face, while the hour chapter is inside. Because minutes and seconds are more important than the hours, just like flying.


The lack of a battery is appealing to me too, though that can be accomplished more inexpensively with a solar-driven watch (e.g., Citizen).

Vollmer is still very much around and still making Fleiger dials: https://www.longislandwatch.com/Vollmer ... s/1840.htm

If you want to do that for less money you can get a relatively inexpensive Seiko that'll either be set up the way you want or you can have the dial modified to fit your needs. :)

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:23 pm

Also... to demonstrate what you can get for $1k...

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I have one of the older versions of that (the "Zulu"). It does basically the same thing but requires battery changes, doesn't have the tritium, and still has a proper crown. I prefer how it shows the sun, though -- easier to read.

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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Sisyphus » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:54 pm

I'm still in the camp of not wearing something you're not prepared to break/lose. Which is why I don't wear mine much anymore.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:37 pm

Sisyphus wrote:I'm still in the camp of not wearing something you're not prepared to break/lose. Which is why I don't wear mine much anymore.


I dunno how rugged that Vollmer is, but one of the redeeming qualities of good watches is that they will take a beating. To wit: over the course of nearly a decade of wearing my Zulu basically every single day, I:


    Banged it into hard things †
    Swam/snorkeled repeatedly*
    Witnessed the birth of both of my kids‡
    Climbed (little) mountains
    Thought it was fascinating every time I saw it
    Learned to ride motorcycles
    Highsided ∞
    Met you assholes
    Etc.


†Actually managed to put a tiny little ding in the supposedly scratch proof sapphire crystal, and I've no idea how or when I did it. I find this amusing since it's so teeny, but I still managed to fuck it up.

*After several years it leaked a little... then a lot after being run through the washer and dryer... twice... (by Her, BTW). The manufacturer replaced the guts for $100. Good as new. I've since concluded, tho, that if I know I'm going to get wet (e.g., going swimming) I'll try to wear something with more than 100M rating.
‡Very likely the conception as well.

∞ In fact, was wearing it on the hand that got broken. That hurt. Ow.

I don't wear it as much any more just because I wanted a change—it is a weird watch—and because I grew tired of needing the digital numbers to quickly tell the exact time.

But I will tell you this: wearing that thing over long periods does alter your perception of time; i.e., for a desk-driving city-dweller like me, it's easy to lose track of the seasons (let alone the lunar cycle), but that makes sure all that information is immediately available to you. Kind've tinkers with the perception of time. The quest for finding something to replace the aforementioned watch is sort've how I got hooked on these goddamn things. (Pattio's heard this bit from me before. ;) )

Anyway, I totally agree with the "ride it like you stole it" mentality of pretty much everything. If you're not willing to use it like it's meant to be used—or if you're unwilling to do what needs done out of fear of damaging it—then fuck no. I'm not advocating abuse, but it's going to go through whatever you're going to go through, and it's likely there's somebody out there making "the perfect watch" for you. If you want truly indestructible, go get a $200 G-Shock. You will be long dead of whatever you could possibly do to it before it stops. There, you're welcome.

But... if you don't want to strap one of those big plastic things to your wrist because they're kind've ugly, well... then you're like me, stuck in search of the perfect watch (that I can afford to smash) :mrgreen:

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In all candor, I also realized it was a way to draw attention away from my hand. Wear a big shiny funny-looking watch that draws attention away from the scars... It's not so much that I mind if they notice, it's just more fun to watch people be surprised. :mrgreen:
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby DerGolgo » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:50 am

As explained in the "How to guide", section "Spoiling the Quotes", if quote tags are anywhere in a post, a spoiler button in that same post won't say nothing. As my elaboration's on that ode to HM's television laid out, the spoiler button will keep schtum, and pledged allegiance to that uppity member for Cambridge (nobody ever said who HM's Loyal Opposition should be loyal to).

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Once the quote tags have overrun the barricades and have the spoiler in their dungeon, it works, obviously (the spoiler tags put up no fight - see, they know in advance how the enhanced interrogation goes, they are in charge of spoilers, after all).
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Beemer Dan » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:02 am

I’m late to the thread, but I’m generally late to everything.

I haven’t seen an NTH in person, but they make some cool stuff. I’ve been on the hunt for an Azores, but can’t decide on the mint or vanilla dial. Everything I’ve read about NTH is good, except their availability. They sell out too fast.

Have any of you tried buying through the second hand market? I’ve scored some good stuff through eBay, but I’m nervous to spend much on a single purchase there. Mostly it’s been feeding my newly returned Swatch habit ( evil little addictive things, I don’t even wear them but they look so cool!)

The microbrands hit so many sweet spots for me. They often have robust build quality, almost always better than a many decades old vintage. They benefit from modern day advancements in materials like sapphire and higher quality steel. I’ll always prefer C3 superluminova to radium and tritium (because I want the watch to glow in the dark, not me). Then there’s the price point, which is always better than vintage.

I think the part about the microbrands that I like the most is that they are like dipping into an alternate reality. I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks 6000 SUX would be a cool car to drive, or enjoy having drink of a Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster while smoking a Morley cigarette. The homage microbrand watches are like living a fictional universe where you can experience a cool toy without the fear of bankruptcy if it breaks in the process.

Also, divers man. Im all in with you guys about the “give me something I can use” ideology. I am clumsy, accident prone and generally pretty rough on anything I use on a daily basis. I know we don’t ride under water, but man does the water resistance on dive watches make me feel a bit more confident that I won’t ruin it.

My latest pickup is a Crepas Tornado, an extremely faithful homage to the Sandoz Typhoon. I’ll get some pics up here, it’s seriously neato.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Pattio » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:12 am

I bought a Magrette second hand on eBay and it’s a favorite. The second-hand value on these things can be a little hard to pin down because of the limited quantities involved. If a new microbrand watch sold for, let’s say $500, and then someone wants to sell it used, what’s the going price? On the one hand, there were only, say, 300 of the model made, so if you want one and find it, you need to pay the asking price. On the other hand, we’re talking about an affordable movement in a Chinese made case, so it’s hard to justify paying more than original retail.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Beemer Dan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:58 pm

I really like Magarette’s designs. Similar to Panerai with the large cushion case but more modern aesthetic and features. They’ve made some with engraved cases that just look incredible.

The used market is a weird one. That NTH I’ve been hunting regularly sells at retail or above, which is a little nuts. On the other hand, the only other option is to plunk down 3-6 times that much for one of the original Supercompressors, or go with another homage that comes close (the Dan Henry looks pretty cool). I think a fair amount of the faithful homage limited runs will end up being worth a lot more down the road. I would love to have an original Nevada-Grenchen Depthmaster, but I don’t trust myself to keep a 60 year old watch worth $3k in pristine condition. Benarus makes one that is pretty much the exact same watch but with a sapphire crystal for $550.

the companies with original designs will surely find some cult following. Helson makes some seriously tough and original designs that have quite a fan club. Used prices on most of their stuff is still pretty reasonable, but the ones they no longer make are going way up.

Which Magarette did you get?
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Pattio » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:03 pm

I bought a Regattare used on eBay, wearing it right now, and I also have a Moana Pacific I pre-ordered last winter and arrived some time this summer.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Sisyphus » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:36 pm

Odd. I just went to put mine on the other day and wound it, decided not to wear it, put it back. Fast forward another week and wanted to wear it, and it feels still wound up but the hand doesn't move. It'll only run if face down, and even then for just a few seconds.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Beemer Dan » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:04 pm

@ Pattio - I’ve been eyeing the Moana Pacific for a bit, they have one in titanium that really looks nice.

@ Sisyphus - your watch likely has an ETA 2824, which is a rock solid engine. My guess would be that a screw is just barely loose, or maybe the balance wheel isnt seated completely. It’s probably something pretty minor hat could be fixed easily.
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Re: Motorcycles and watches: industry history parallels

Postby Jaeger » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:02 pm

Sisyphus wrote:...It'll only run if face down, and even then for just a few seconds.
Fuck.
The guy that cleaned it this spring just died a month ago, can't go back and ask him what he did.


Just so you have some comparison for the replace vs. repair: https://www.longislandwatch.com/Vollmer ... s/1840.htm

That said, Danno is right, it should be fixable by someone who knows what they're doing.

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