motorpsycho67 wrote: ↑
Wed May 19, 2021 12:24 am
This just about negates everything he said previously.
Common sense trumps the government....
I just realized I went on a little rant re government.
I'm not sure how you meant what you said there, @motorpsycho67
, so please don't feel offended if I misinterpreted snark as sincerity. Or vice versa.
Short version of my rant: anyone who accepts that it's a good idea that government meat inspectors enforce regulations, because botulism bad, has really no excuse why government shouldn't enforce regulations for public hygiene because covid bad.
That doesn't mean any
regulation must always
be good and be obeyed. But when the experts study the subject and suggest what should be done to stop the pandemic and save lives? Yeah, that one. Rejecting that one is inexcusable for anyone who hasn't died of botulism recently.
The problem with common sense is that it is uncommon. Unless they are all parroting some social leader, influencer, news outlet, most people will barely agree what common sense tells them they should do if they touch a hot stove.
Government is as good as people demand it be, and as good as people let it be. Decisions get made by those who show up.
Who shows up when the masses are busy working three jobs to just put food on the table? Who shows up when billionaire-owned mass media tells its audience that government bad, shouts down anyone who disagrees, will only report on government misdeeds or incompetence, and on how everybody only ever has negative experiences when dealing with government?
Who will show up when many feel that they should have only horrible experiences when dealing with government, because the people their hind-brain herd-instincts tell them they should listen to have taught them as much, and that anyone who disagrees must be any number of things, like stupid, a liar, a fraud, an attention whore, a momma's boy, whatever?
Who shows up when a society has spent decades or centuries teaching itself that government bad?
People who can't get enough of the refreshing taste of billionaire boot. People who never even question that laws should be written by lobbyists, that the only expert opinions should come from industry, rather than scientists or (horror!) the people, that the opinions and interests of campaign donors are the only opinions and interests that really matter. After all, money is speech, and if the masses wanted to say something, they could just pool their money...
Government has to take care of shit like enforcing hygiene measures during a pandemic because nobody else will. Or can. Rule .303 is one of the terms some use to describe such a situation.
Who questions that government meat inspectors are a good thing? But shouldn't the private sector and common sense be the better solution to protecting people from botulism, or from the whole catalog of other meat-borne infections? I experienced how the private sector and common sense take care of that. I had diarrhea coming out of my mouth.
When government regulation fails, it's rarely because the people working in government, or the whole concept of government, can only be incompetent.
When government regulations fail, it's usually because the regulations aren't written by experts, with a single purpose. But by lobbyists, industry representatives, and any number of detestables lurking in the shadows of government, doing political dealing and wheeling and backhanding.
Or it is because of straight up violations by private sector entities who either figure their common sense is good enough, or that they don't need no meddlin' government telling them how to do their business. Or who need to satisfy the expectations of their corporate superior who explicitly don't want to be told about how many laws middle management must break to achieve that (I'm betting dollars to donuts that's how Dieselgate happened). Or who just do the numbers, extra profits vs. fines if caught and find that, oopsie, whoever wrote that regulation didn't math.
Average life expectancy didn't crack 40 years until the late 19th century. One of the reason more people didn't keel over dead from botulism was that industrial laborers couldn't afford to eat much meat.
Even if an infection from tainted meat didn't kill someone outright, it wouldn't do a person's overall health many favors. Particularly in an era when surgeons washing their hands was still relatively new technology.
In the United States, the first federal law requiring meat inspections was passed in 1890.
Food hygiene, eating tainted or spoiled things becoming the exception, has been (to my knowledge) a critical factor in extending life expectancy so far, even poor people can, barring accidents or whatever, expect to reach retirement age. Perhaps they cannot expect to actually ever retire, but they'll get old enough.
Common sense tells plenty of people that, so long as they cook it to 250°F for three minutes, that pork chop won't harm nobody.
But many don't have the common sense to wash their hands after handling the raw meat and before they touch, say, any of the other food items they are preparing.
Common sense seems to be telling a lot of people that, if they aren't sick, there's no reason they should wear a mask to protect others. Asymptomatic? What's that?
If the past few centuries of scientific progress have demonstrated one thing, it is that, even when people uncommonly agree on what common sense is telling them. More often than not, it's wrong.
Common sense tells most people that, if you just eat less food, you will loose weight. While medicine has demonstrated the body's amazing ability to reduce its energy consumption, preserving calories, something that evolved to get us through the lean months.
Common sense tells many people that someone poor, only able to buy cheap shit (shoes, clothes, etc.), spends less money than a wealthy person, who buys more expensive shit. The poverty trap, meanwhile, is a well documented phenomenon - being poor is expensive.
There are very, very few aspects of either relativity or quantum physics that even get near anything resembling what most people might accept is common sense.
The list of examples is endless. It's not just hard science that disagrees with it. When someone does a person an unprompted favor, that second person's common sense likely tells them the first person wants something from them. While con artists, and successful salespeople, know the way in is to make the mark do them a little favor - the sunk cost fallacy is the best way to describe what motivates the mark going forward in the interaction.
motorpsycho67 wrote: ↑
Wed May 19, 2021 12:24 am
But the sudden green light means that I’m now more than a little annoyed if a store proclaims that I need to mask up despite the CDC, Commonwealth of Virginia, and Defense Department all telling me I don’t.
Me, I would suggest it's common sense that everybody keeps wearing masks when stepping outside their abode, that they are careful when touching surfaces or objects anybody else has handled (perhaps not by using multiple layers of gloves and disinfectant by the gallon as I do, but a little care), that people don't touch their face unless they have thoroughly washed/disinfected their hands, that people keep their distance to anyone not part of their household.
I should think it's common sense to keep the hygiene measures up until the pandemic has finally and actually petered out.
I also think that it's common sense people get fucking vaccinated - and that patents protecting the vaccines, all of them, are suspended, so that developing countries can actually acquire the stuff for their populations.
I really should think it's common sense that, if the billions of people who don't have the means to acquire the vaccination really don't get vaccinated, the pandemic will not go away. We in the developed nations will not be safe, even if we vaccinate every last person in Europe, North America, etc.
Actually, fuckit, no, that's not just
The developed nations couldn't feel safe from smallpox until it was wiped out in the developing nations, too.
It was finally wiped out - but that took more than just vaccinating everyone in the developed world. It took a great effort of tracking down every last reservoir of smallpox in human populations to get it gone. That is historic fact.
If we want to get rid of Covid, squeezing the developing nations for money they don't have will at best slow down the effort. Giving the virus more time to mutate, giving it opportunity to come back at us. At worst, it will keep ravaging vast swathes of the world, killing millions - and mutating even more and even quicker and coming back at us.
In a situation of extraordinary danger to the entire species, intellectual property rights must take a back seat.The developed nations should either suspend those patents until such a time as the virus is no longer endemic anywhere in the world, or should buy them under eminent domain and then put them into the public domain.
If there were absolutely anything to be afraid of, don't you think I would have worn pants?
I said I have a big stick.