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NO suspension is "too complicated" suspension

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DerGolgo
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Location: Potato

NO suspension is "too complicated" suspension

Post by DerGolgo » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:30 am

Now, be honest.
Have you ever even conceived of one like this?
It's not a Hossack/Duolever®, nor a Saxon/Motodd/Telelever®.
It's something else entirely. Well, something else, in any case.
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The fella who invented this is an honorary Potato Engineer.
Where there is no problem that can't be solved by adding more parts!
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As for what experience this autodidact engineer brought to his workbench:
back in '17, Jeff Ware on motorcycle.com wrote:...over 35 years of experience in film production and 3-D animation, with a list of movies that include Matrix Reloaded, Mad Max Fury: Road[sic], Happy Feet 1 and 2, The Incredible Hulk, Charlotte’s Web, Promethius and many more.
Suddenly, it makes a lot of sense, don't it.
If I didn't know this wasn't conceived by a fully potato engineer, that could have been my only other guess. An Australian, and one who makes a living doing 3D animation and things for Hollywood blockbuster sci-fi movies. Obviously with credits include at least one Mad Max. And Happy Feet 2.
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High praise:
Jeff Ware on motorcycle.com wrote:Within two corners my knee is on the ground and I’m feeling like I have been riding this bike for an entire racing season, not the actual two minutes I’ve been aboard.
...
It feels strange as there is the initial dive, which is comforting and familiar, followed by a sensation that left me wondering if the suspension was actually travelling up and down through its stroke or the track was simply billiard-table smooth. I assure you it is not the latter!
It would appear to be a good performer, not just for racing. Back in the when, my instructor told me, and logic also suggests, that one should never go into a turn determined to extricate all the grip and all the lean the bike has to give. Keep that reserve to fall back on when shit goes sidew... vert... when shit happens in the middle of a bend.
Jeff Ware on motorcycle.com wrote: I also play with lines and discover that regardless of corner entry or turn-in point, if there is a slower rider ahead, I can simply push the bike a bit further over and steer tighter and go underneath any bike I happen to come across.
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Exiting the final corner I can choose where I want to be, even hugging the inside all the way around despite carrying incredible mid-corner speed.
It is like there is more front tire available in reserve if needed...
Link'um: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer ... -test.html

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Being pretentious, I obviously set the voice to an Australian lady. The good Microsoft Catherine.
Her accent isn't that bad.
But it is good fun: there are no swingarms. She only speaks of "swing'ums". :lol:
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Re: NO suspension is "too complicated" suspension

Post by Jaeger » Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:58 pm

Uh... WTF? I mean, ok, I guess it could work, but...???

I'd wanna see it. I suppose there'd be some advantage? Certainly no dive on braking. Would be weird in corners...?

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DerGolgo
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Re: NO suspension is "too complicated" suspension

Post by DerGolgo » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:19 pm

Jaeger wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:58 pm
Uh... WTF? I mean, ok, I guess it could work, but...???
It does look a little like someone attached a Hossack front-end to an existing Saxon/Motodd front end.
When I try to brain this, how it could compress, I'm seeing the lower part bend (shock is attached to the inner member of the lower part), but the upper is not bending. Looking at the bike's right hand side, with the front end on the right, the ∇ shaped part that the wheel actually sits in would rotate clockwise as the assembly is compressed.
I think.
[SLEDIT: actually, scratch that. What I thought was a rigid subassembly, kinda ∇ shaped when seen side-on, seems on closer inspection not to be. Rigid.
My brain has outch now. More than usual. This is some n-dimensional madness. Ia, Ia, Motoinno phtagn!!]

Jaeger wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:58 pm
I'd wanna see it. I suppose there'd be some advantage? Certainly no dive on braking. Would be weird in corners...?
Actually, the reviewer specified that there is initially a little dive, nice and familiar.
The cornering is specifically addressed in the review. I picked out the most salient quotes.
The way he describes it, it seems to make planning for a turn and preparing to enter it superfluous. Just get in the turn and do whatever. Add more power and overtake some slower guy on the side, put the bike on whatever line takes your fancy.

I'd bet his apparent tracksperience probably makes it so he doesn't even notice a lot of decisions and preparatory moves he makes. But dude is impressed. Read the whole thing, I recommend it. OR have it read to you with the swin'um.
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