COVID-19 AND INTERESTING TIMES

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Re: COVID-19 AND INTERESTING TIMES

Post by xtian » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:29 pm

containment in europe : coloring with the kids, yoga, making poorly staged supposedly funny videos on facebook. applause medical personal at the window every night at 8pm
containment in the usa: finding a defensible base with good fields of fire.

Sure, things aren't going well for most of you, I'm not even starting with socialism. Still, maybe this is too serious to let ourselves drift into video game fantasy. The main problem so far is not that everybody catches that thing and die. It's that a small percentage (10-12% ?) will need serious medical care when the thing hits its peak, and no country is prepared for such an assault of urgent patients. It seems that another 10 to 12% of people just went through the sickness with no effect, and I see more and more reports of people back after a couple of weeks of inconvenience, but they didn't turn into zombies.
My main anxiety so far is that only one person is allowed in shops, so I haven't gone in weeks, I let the missis do it, so I am getting seriously low on booze. But as far as I know, there's enough stock of everything everywhere. some are talking about a 6 month restriction so we'd better keep some sanity and be ready for a serious change of habits.


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Post by DerGolgo » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:02 am

As I ran out of junk food quicker than I should have, I have actually mail ordered some. Because I've already regained a bunch of what I had lost last year, I'm just not gonna eat at all till it gets here.

While I must remain self isolated till the 9th of April, assuming I don't like the flu in the meantime, I will make myself useful. I've started sewing masks yesterday, and plan on keeping it up. However, once I can go outside again, right after delivering my remaining industrially made, proper respirators to the nearest hospital, and offering my home sewn masks to anyone who will take a piece of cloth dripping in isopropyl, I will stop sewing then (assuming I haven't yet stopped for running out of material). It's a massive effort for what aren't really very great masks.
Instead, I will go into the grocery store and buy the cheapest vacuum-cleaner bags I can find, and some more elastic. Those bags will certainly make better masks than I can on my sewing machine.
I had not expected that it's possible to spill threads like you might spill paint, but turns out, it is!
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Post by DerGolgo » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:55 pm

Just noticed.

Folding@Home running Coronavirus related research on my CPU.

On my GPU, meanwhile, it's working on something related to oxytocin. AKA "the love hormone".

It's nice to know. With all the shit presently going on. Someone, somewhere, still has love on their mind.
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Post by DerGolgo » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:11 am

Right. So I've stitched together all the denim cutouts I made, and found that the lightweight dishcloth I got for the lining is a bitch to sew.
The clever bit about the approach from @red's link is that, once you've inverted it, you can't see how shit all of the seems look.

Front/outside:
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Rear/inside:
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Turns out that, somehow, I managed to sew it all together so that it already bulges in the right direction. Presently trying to figure out how to put wire in there, so as to fit it close around the nose.

I overheard on TV the other day that vacuum cleaner bags make good respirators. I recommended this to a friend, who promptly made a few masks for his elderly aunts. Who, in turn, find it fairly easy to breathe through them.
@Jaeger provided me with this breakdown of what to make into makeshift masks: https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/bes ... ask-virus/

I have concluded that, no matter what I sew, it won't be as good as something made from vacuum cleaner bags. So I just ordered three score bags that, if I have any left over, would also fit my own vacuum cleaner. And a bunch of the little things you usually get on a bag of bread, strip of plastic with embedded metal wire on either side. Since those are also used to make respirators conform to the nose, which is crucial.
By the time I got to ordering elastic, I was outright annoyed to find that multiple retailers were advertising fucking elastic bands. Like you'd use in clothing, elastic seams and things. They were advertising for that with pictures of people wearing respirators. And packaged the elastic with the plastic-and-wire thingies ("clipband" appears to be the technical term).

Regardless. I will see if I can complete a few masks tomorrow. If nothing else, it is practice on how to use the sewing machine I bought so I wouldn'T have to buy new pants every time I busted a seam, yet rarely use, putting off fixing my pants again and again, because I'm shit at using the machine. Did you know you can splatter thread like, when wielding a brush, you'd splatter paint? I had not known that! Now I know that!
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Post by DerGolgo » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:20 am

Shortages are coming

Radio reported today that various government and agricultural organizations basically have their hair on fire right now.
In Germany, some sowing, and almost all harvesting is generally done by workers who come in for the season from eastern Europe. The EU. Cheap labor, always!

Problem right now is, obviously. Closed borders, lockdown, etc.
Store shelves, freezers, granaries, and warehouses are, as yet, full enough.
But right now, for instance, nobody is planting lettuce. Which means that, in 6 to 8 weeks, even if the harvest workers were ready and available then, there won't be any lettuce for the harvesting.

Problems include that neither sowing, nor harvesting, is entirely unskilled labor. Hire people who are unemployed, either were unemployed before the calamity, or have become unemployed because of it? Yeah, sure. But they don't know their lettuce from a hole in the ground. So training would be required, the work tempo would be significantly slower than normal, and the rate of mistakes that reduce the final output would be much increased.

Now, me, I really only eat lettuce when it comes in a burger, or at least some manner of sandwich. Talked to my GP about that a long time ago, and it turns out that, medically speaking, raw vegetables are really not any healthier than properly cooked vegetables. The cooking doesn't actually destroy significant concentrations of vitamins or micronutrients, but it does make the veggies much easier to digest. IIRC, it was mentioned that, because of the latter, by mass, a bowl of boiled vegetables, or fried, or baked, will provide marginally better nutrition than an equal bowl of raw vegetables.

A note regarding Krautsalat:
Krautsalat, or coleslaw* for you lot, is made from raw cabbage which, over here, is extensively marinated in oil and vinegar. I have heard it listed seperately from raw foods, because of that extensive marionation. I don't know.
On the rare, rare occasions that I get a döner, or some gyros, I tend to prefer the kraut to the lettuce. I think it may be genetic.
Which should tell you how mortified I am by the idea of a krautsalat shortage.
I'm not kidding. Cabbage in general, and krautsalat in particular, are popular. Perhaps not as popular as they once were, but popular. And just some of the stuff that exists. Stuff that's there, that is part of reality.
I believe most people would be able to deal with a shortage of citrus, bananas, or even apples. I believe many would be able to deal with a shortage of lettuce.
But krautsalat. I am quite sure that that is one of the things that will freak out even those who don't usually eat it. It's just something that's there. Like milk and butter, like flour and drier pasta. The latter two, I'm sure, having been panic bought by people who don't usually use either.
If the krautsalat shelf doesn't just become barren, but the news reports that there isn't any resupply in the immediate future.
That's when the knives will come out.
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Also, when the FUCK is someone FINALLY gonna make the police procedural Cole's Law. Running gag would obviously be how the titular character doesn't like coleslaw. Her sidekick could be the indomitable Katy Raut. "Seriously, your name is Kraut?" "Yes. Go ahead, I've heard them all."
I'm not imagining a particularly clever plod show, nor one that's particularly funny. I'm thinking of a by-the-numbers, starring a few up and coming faces, the odd b-list celeb cameo, and a lot of really tired old jokes. Mostly about people's names, of course.
Cancelled after three seasons, maybe four, with a feature-length special to satisfy any remaining contractual obligations coming a year later. Perhaps a spinoff on youtube premium that never sees a second season.
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Post by DerGolgo » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:21 am

So I needed a few prescriptions. Two fairly harmless things, and one that isn't.
Bureaucracy, bureaucracy. And Opium!
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It being the new quarter, my doc needed my insurance card before he could write out a scripts on insurance. Consequently, just faxing it to my pharmacy, and they delivering it to me, wasn't possible.

On top of which, I also needed a narcotics script. Those are a different color, are in triplicate, and the prescribing physician must justify each and every one. The Federal Opium Office (yes, they still use the term "opium", not "opiate") actually counts, and not just for random spot-checks. My doc won't even print out one unless I, or a proxy (authorized in writing) is physically there to pick it up.
At my doctor's office, things looked different. Instead of patients being allowed to step in two at a time, now patients are required to wait outside until someone comes and gets them.
I didn't set foot inside, which was fine by me.

At the pharmacy, the pharmacist just got back from her lunch hour, so I met her at the front door and didn't even have to call to negotiate me taking my business to her today. I was dressed up like infectious clown posse, so was she, and there was the new spit-guard on the counter, and "no go" tapes on the floor, so no worries 'bout that.
When I mentioned that I had had to restart the self-isolation count last week, but hadn't had a fever, she figured isolation wasn't really necessary.
Then came the scary stuff. And I mean >proper< scary.
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Normally, if they don't have it in stock as late as 3 PM, it will be delivered by 6 PM.
If the wholesale company has it in stock, that is. Even many medications that aren't made in China rely on precursors and ingredients made there. And even those that don't rely on China at all must, somehow, be transported from the manufacturer to the wholesale depot.
The wholesale company has such a shortage of drivers, not only are same-day deliveries no longer a given - they have to fucking ship by DHL.

One thing not in stock at my pharmacy was 40mg pills of stuff that's supposed to keep my digestive tract from exploding, what with the vast amounts of pills I'm on (and that's not a joke - that actually happened to my father).
That is common-as-dirt medication. The pharmacist was eventually able to secure two bottles of pills (of a substitute brand) through the online ordering thingy. Two. One of which comes my way tomorrow.

Pharmacies are high, high up on the list of essential businesses excluded from any lockdown. But when their supply chain breaks apart, that won't help anyone either, will it.
Since I had already been outside, and being dressed up as I was, and with my pharmacist's comment, I decided to fuck it and do a grocery walk. Had managed to fast for all of two days.
Ah, well, what the fuck.
Grocery store was quite different from last week.
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No longer the staff member in mask and gloves disinfecting each shopping cart.
Instead, a notice that, by order of the authorities, each customer had to have a shopping cart.
Those were chained up again, and an elderly gent wasn't admitted without one. But he didn't have the coin or little plastic disc you need to unlock a cart. I unlocked one for him with the clever little tool I've got.
Didn't think to have a look at paper products. But bread, and bread-like items was well stocked again.
What was absolutely weird was the ice cream.
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I'm pretty sure that, apart from me, there were maybe two or three people who'd buy some Ben&Jerrys or Häagen Dasz every now and again.
Most of the B&J recently was "limited offer" Birthday-Cake things, a few chocolate fudge brownie, and only a small number of cookie dough, half baked, and very rarely, peanut butter cup.
Under its own layer of snow, the Häagen Dasz selection consists of ~20 pints of plain vanilla, a dozen Peanut crunch, and a half dozen Chai Latte somesuch. Evidently, putting more than the three worst selling flavors on there isn't considered a relevant sales tactic.
That wasn't quite as plundered as the B&J, but much lighter than a week ago.
I'm wondering whether they actually had to throw out a bunch of fucking Ben&Jerrys and Häagen Dasz because of expired sell-by dates.
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Post by Bigshankhank » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:56 am

So a few additional GOP hold-out governors finally issued Stay-at-Home orders for Florida & Georgia, despite the fact that they left gaping holes in the order to allow for people to continue to gather and (maddeningly) worship. Which brings me to wonder why (at least in the media herein the US) we haven't heard a peep from leaders of major world religions yet. There are photos of mosques, synagogues and churches all over the world practicing social distancing, performing sermons via mass digital media sources and taking other measure to prevent their parishioners from gathering together. That is happening in many areas of the US as well, but why haven't religious leaders actually stepped in and level an edict stating that all in-house services are closed for the time being? Again, these people are said to be the leaders, they need to lead from the front, no? Don't @ me I know why they want people to keep coming in, and yes its the fruitcakes, extremists and evangelicals State-side (I guess that's all redundant) who are making the headlines about defying orders, but fuck if the state is allowing it, why wouldn't they? Someone needs to tell people apparently to be fucking smarter.

Interesting point DerG about farmers, as Florida is facing the same problem. Strawberry harvest kicks off the main harvesting season for citrus in Florida, and they import tens of thousands of temporary immigrant work-visa folks to live in dormitory-type shacks, load up on buses in to the fields every day and basically work on top of each other for four months. No immigrants, no harvest, no fruits and veggies. Good luck getting local residents to actually step up and keep those jobs in Americuh by signing up to work the fields themselves (how much more american is farming?) so this will become an interesting social experiment. Apparently OSHA & the CDC have already stated they will be standing outside the gate to each of these major farms to ensure that the special guidelines they've put in place for the mass-farming operations are being followed, but the truth is there's no way there will be compliance. Up and down the central Florida farm roads you can see dozens of old school buses with the tops cut off and 60 workers standing shoulder to shoulder as they head to the next grove, not to mention the living conditions not unlike navy vessels with people stacked on top of one another and sharing bunks at shift changes. I wonder how good the reporting of the spread among and death of those workers will be? I don't have a lot of hope for much honesty, we as a society have really gotten in to bed with the devil and he is rolling over and taking the covers now.
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Post by DerGolgo » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:05 am

Apparently, the priest of where a friend's mum goes to church was flummoxed by stay-at-home during holy week. Had to come up with something everyone could do at home on Holy Thursday.
So he cracked open the holy book and looked what Jesus did. Apparently, J-man celebrated with a Pessach ritual that's suitable for celebrating within a household. So that entire catholic parish is celebrating Pessach come Thursday next.
The specific ritual the priest is instructing his parish on appears to be the "Seder".

And I wanna show off: Folding@Home. 123,253 of 2,484,976. Cracked the top 5 percentile, ha!
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Post by xtian » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:47 pm

@Bigshankhank as much as I hate to be the advocate of christianity, the pope performed his easter urbi et orbi ceremony in front of an empty saint pete's place at the vatican. so maybe it's your national authority (fucking zealot crazy sect of looneys ) that is to blame
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as for my little place, we seem to have reached the peak of contagion, now discussing the possible measure of progressive un-confinement, that will probably still last another month at least, and kill most of the economy, The wife of my regular co worker is in intensive care. All races cancelled , will alex marques be the 2020 motogp world champion after winning the playstation motogp race if no other race can be held this year ?
sunday should be a sparkling sunny spring day and I only have about 2 days of liquors left.
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Post by DerGolgo » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:04 am

The Robert Koch Institute, who are in charge of government measures against the plague, has announced that contact-prohibitions are showing an effect. The infection rate has gone down to 1, each infected person infects only one other.

They are recommending things like increasing the frequencies on public transit, so that people can keep their distance on the bus or trains. Public transit here has been operating on the lower frequency Saturday timetable on weekdays for a while here.

The number of confirmed infections is knocking on 80k. The number of fatalities has exceeded 1,000. Not counted are people who tested positive for novel coronavirus after their death, but had not shown specific symptoms before dying. Or specifically new symptoms.

More laboratories are introducing new antibody testing gear, to identify people with an immunity.
Respirators are imported from China, and the government brags that within 48 hours of getting to Shanghai airport, the things are on the faces of nurses.
Overall, PPE is still rarer than hen's teeth, but disinfectant production is up to demand now.
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Post by DerGolgo » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:38 am

And here be FUCKING INSANITY!

Situation: many refugees who come to Germany are not granted asylum, for reasons such as coming from a country that's only poor, and isn't recognized as a dictatorship or war zone, or a region where the asylum seeker would be persecuted.

Processing requests for asylum, and subsequently deporting anyone who doesn't qualify, is a matter for the states (the "Länder") to handle. Most German states have stopped all deportations for the time being.
One reason for this is that many countries have instituted firm prohibitions against anyone coming in from the EU. Afghanistan has done that, apparently, or Togo. So there aren't any flights to those countries, no planes to shove a deportee onto.

But in a Bavarian jail sits a 25 year old woman from Togo, who didn't qualify to stay in Germany, and so "must" be deported.
To the extent that the Bavarian government finagled a special dispensation from the Togolese government and CHARTERED A FUCKING PLANE!!

No, I'm not fucking kidding, and it's not a fucking Monty Python sketch.
Rather than letting the woman from Togo stick around until the fucking Apocalypse is over and done with, the Bavarian government gives her treatment that most diplomats wouldn't get.
Charter an entire plane, to transport all of one refugee. To Togo.
The straight line from Munich to Lomé is nearly 3,000 miles, so it's not like a wee little Piper Cub will be sufficient. That's a "fuel up the Gulfstream" sort of distance.

I wasn't able to find out whether she had broken any laws, only that two prior attempts to deport her apparently failed.
The Bavarian cops who will escort her to Lomé will hand her over and fly right back. They might not even get off the plane.
She has to go into quarantine once she arrives in Togo, and bless the Togolese government, they don't want to pay for that shit.
So the Bavarian government has booked her a hotel room.

What a spiteful jackass do you have to be to rather give someone a private jet flight, followed by several weeks in a hotel, to pay for all of that, rather than letting her sit in a jail cell (or, worse: in her apartment) until the situation has normalized?
Just how desperate must a person be to kick a brown person out that they will spend at the very least high five figures, more likely six figures, to expedite deportation right in the middle of what I believe has qualified as the greatest pandemic in a century, since Spanish Flu?
The fucking world is ending, the healthcare system is screaming at the seams, we're seeing the single greatest economical crisis in living memory, already exceeding the great depression in some regards, everyone is fucking crazy, and the biggest bailouts in European history have been financed in less time than how long it usually takes these fuckers to agree on what's for fucking lunch.
It's the end of the fucking world. But kicking out a brown woman is so important, they charter a fucking jet for a 3,000 miles flight, and book a hotel room, too!

Unrelated sad news
BBC just reported, Bill Withers has passed away. It's so fresh, it's not even on his Wikipedia page yet.
He is the one who bemoaned the lack of sunshine after her departure. He was 81, much outperformed the median life expectancy for people of his vintage. He may well have died of something entirely unrelated to the ongoing madness. It still makes me sad.

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Post by DerGolgo » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:15 pm

Just started watching this one.

As of today, over 1,000,000 confirmed cases of COIVD-19.

As of today, 50,000 people have died because of COVID-19.

There have been more than 50,000 deaths. Not counted: People who didn't go to the doctor, didn't tell anyone about their symptoms, and who live in a country with a less extensive healthcare system.

That's a 5% mortality rate.
It appears like the countries that got the worst of hit, thus far, were developed nations. China, central and western Europe, North America.
I posted earlier about the Bavarian government chartering a fucking jet to deport exactly one person. And Bavaria is among the worst hit in Germany. There is no excuse why they shouldn't have many, many video to demonstrate how nothing is going on at the hospital, or how their toothpaste protects from the covid (they don't have it, that proves the hoothpaste works!).

But a pandemic that has so far done damage where, for the lucky ones, hospital beds ventilators, ICU care had been available.
What will the fatality rate be in, say. Mongolia? The Congo? Latin America? Syria?

EDIT: I was physically struggling to stay awake when I originally posted this. So I don't really know what I was watching there. I think I may have been referring to conspiranoiacs in the larger paragraph.
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Post by red » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:54 am

DerGolgo wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:15 pm

But a pandemic that has so far done damage where, for the lucky ones, hospital beds ventilators, ICU care had been available.
What will the fatality rate be in, say. Mongolia? The Congo? Latin America? Syria?
It's going to devastate countries like and probably India as well. I imagine it will tear through slums and mass clusters of the poor. Then, without the proper disposal of all the bodies, we'll face other outbreaks of disease and infestation.
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Post by Jaeger » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:26 pm

DerGolgo wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:20 am
Shortages are coming

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Which should tell you how mortified I am by the idea of a krautsalat shortage.
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Fuck. :shock:
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Interesting point DerG about farmers, as Florida is facing the same problem.
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Up and down the central Florida farm roads you can see dozens of old school buses with the tops cut off and 60 workers standing shoulder to shoulder as they head to the next grove, not to mention the living conditions not unlike navy vessels with people stacked on top of one another and sharing bunks at shift changes. I wonder how good the reporting of the spread among and death of those workers will be? I don't have a lot of hope for much honesty, we as a society have really gotten in to bed with the devil and he is rolling over and taking the covers now.
DerG! I think that ↑↑may be WoEQ material.

I admit I hadn't thought through the agricultural angle but yeah, obviously. M commented on my next trip to the store I should look for strawberries as the season's coming up. Good gods. I've just been thinking about the urban workers who're getting screwed out of work (e.g., waitstaff, retail, travel, entertainment) that's a whole different fuckin' set of issues (albeit related).

I've just been feeling bad for the folks in gotta-do jobs, from the docs and first-responders to the yard crews and grocery clerks. Shit needs to get done, folks need to get paid. But the folks you're describing, BSH, are well and truly screwed -- paid shit, miles from home, no healthcare... yikes. Just fuckin' yikes. :(

I'm lucky we can hunker down here and work remotely. Hell, I've been doing that for years! (Though some clients are starting to pucker up and no-bid things they'd otherwise chase -- economy's shitting the bed and they're getting more cautious. I may need to shift my model to adjust. We shall see.

I haven't been to the store in nearly 2 weeks so I don't know what my local grocery looks like, but I expect I'll be heading there sometime later this week when we entirely run out of fresh food of any variety. We're seeing how long we can go until it really gets uncomfortable. I otherwise haven't left the house other than to garden or go on my late-night walks. Haven' t been in an enclosed space with anyone other than family (other than store) in over 3 weeks.

I've totally been out of vape juice and on snus for about 2.5 weeks now, and I REALLY miss it. I'll be making a trip to the store in my errands. Best info I've seen so far is that it doesn't hurt vapers, just smokers. The suns keeps me from being homicidal, which is good, but dammit the vape helps me focus better.

I'm trying to moderate my time in front of the computer when I'm not being paid. It's too easy to sit down here and twist myself into a knot by reading the news. Instead I've gotten a lot more gardening done, which is nice. Most of my neighbors are doing much the same. My kids made a birthday card for the old lady who lives behind us -- currently alone. They stuck it to the outside of her door and wiped it down with Lysol. She wrote them an appreciative email.

I need to collect myself. I fear this is going to last a lot longer than I'd initially hoped. Virginia's in "Condition Red" or whatever this is until June 10, so... gonna be a long couple months.

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Post by DerGolgo » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:30 pm

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/05 ... MnBpFp5zLw
An unnamed journo on newyork.cbslocal.com wrote:The zoo announced Sunday that a 4-year-old female Malayan tiger named “Nadia” has tested positive for COVID-19, and that her sister “Azul,” two Amur tigers, and three African lions had developed a dry cough.
Novel Coronavirus, like all the other dangerous viruses, was zoonotic. Even though it almost certainly did not jump species in a zoo. But it got from animal to human.
So now here is a virus that goes >back< to animals. Breaking the infection chain among humans will be difficult, if not impossible, if there is not just "a" reservoir among animalia, but many such reservoirs are created at the same time that the virus goes through the human population.
That would mean that, for a new outbreak, it wouldn't just require a new intersection wit the original reservoir. It would mean that getting the virus out of the human population completely would >not< stop the outbreak. Because if the animals we live with still have it, that outbreak is still going on, at best with a short interruption for the humans. Whether we like it or not, we might be just as threatened by one and the same virus as our cats are.

Maybe this won't affect the cats that we keep as pets.
Lets fucking hope it doesn't affect the cats we keep as pets.
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Re: COVID-19 AND INTERESTING TIMES

Post by red » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:42 am

Found out end of last week that a coworker has had a positive result on his test. He's having a very rough time. He's younger than me, and probably in better shape. So, that makes me worry more. Fucking scarier every day.
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Re: COVID-19 AND INTERESTING TIMES

Post by jae » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:01 am

red wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:42 am
Found out end of last week that a coworker has had a positive result on his test. He's having a very rough time. He's younger than me, and probably in better shape. So, that makes me worry more. Fucking scarier every day.
Scary that it's that close.

I heard some talking heads on some news segment this morning (CBS?) say something to the effect of, (or at least I heard,) "about half of people contracting the virus are entirely asymptomaic." I'm not sure if they're just re-iterating that you get it and don't know for a while, or if they're saying half of all people who contract it stay entirely asymptomatic throughout the duration. Honestly wasn't giving it much attention, as it was just background noise while working. However, given how apathetic people are towards the "stay at home" order around here, it doesn't give me much hope for being able to stop the spread in humans, even excluding the idea that human-to-animal (and vice versa) will keep it going.

I, too, have been spending a lot of time on at-home projects, and doing my best to get my kiddos involved. Their playhouse/my shed is coming along nicely.

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Re: COVID-19 AND INTERESTING TIMES

Post by DerGolgo » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:32 am

jae wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:01 am
I heard some talking heads on some news segment this morning (CBS?) say something to the effect of, (or at least I heard,) "about half of people contracting the virus are entirely asymptomaic." I'm not sure if they're just re-iterating that you get it and don't know for a while, or if they're saying half of all people who contract it stay entirely asymptomatic throughout the duration.
That matches what I read about results from Iceland. They are testing anything that's not up a tree on the count of three. And it's Iceland, so not a lot of trees.
This virus is shit scary, whichever way you look at it. Unless there's a vaccine breakthrough, it is well on the way to becoming endemic.
Because, whether it's bats or pangolins where it began. There isn't just "a" zoologic reservoir somewhere.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/05 ... 3Yxxxyks9U
It appears that humans are spreading it to animals. So no matter how well we can control it in humans, any outbreak may just infect enough animals to keep any outbreak going permanently.
Went to the hospital today, to donate the unused FFP3 respirators I still had.
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FFP3 being the Euro standard for respirators required for anyone dealing with patients quarantined for viral disease. The kind that's rarest.
I had three in the original plastic wrapping, and one that had not been individually wrapped. I sprayed that with isopropyl and put it in a zip lock bag.
First hospital I went to, nearest to me, didn't want it. Anything Coronavirus related was happening at another hospital that required a short bus ride. So I did go there, and the lady at the front desk did accept my donation. But she didn't appear much interested. I suspect they are getting a lot of donations, and most will probably go in the trash because they can't be confirmed to be sterile. One of the originally wrapped respirators had worked its way out of the plastic baggie, and she even accepted that one.
Bringing the stuff to where it's needed is all I can do, though. The rest is up to the experts.
On my way, I found parts of the city were rather quiet.
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Not like "tumbleweed" quiet, but somewhere between any Saturday and Sunday. Note that, while most stores are open on Saturdays, banks and other businesses aren't, and until the emergency measures presently employed, only small tobacco- and booze-shops, and petrol stations were allowed to open on Sunday.
There were way more people on the trams and buses I had to use than I was all that comfortable with. Call it selfish, but I felt sufficiently protected by my respirator and the other hygiene measures I was using and knew I'd use upon getting home.
The passenger load on the buses and trams was also what I'd expect on a Saturday afternoon. I saw one lady with a scarf wrapped around her head, and I think one person with a surgical mask. Everybody else on those buses, no masks at all. If I may: FFS.
Will start respirator assembly today.
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@Jaeger pointed out to me that my plan of making disposable respirators from vacuum cleaner bags might be fraught with danger, as many such bags involve nasty fibrous material you don't wanna inhale.
The bags I got had no warning labels. But didn't have retail packaging, either, just a pack in a transparent plastic bag. Wholesale goods.
I contacted the seller, and they got back to me with surprising quickness. Turns out I'm not the first person who got the idea of making respirators from those bags. A number of people volunteering at retirement homes apparently had already gotten in touch with the same question, so the seller had already contacted the OEM.
Turns out the bags have no warning labels because there's nothing to so label, no materials requiring a warning.
The wire for the nose bits arrived today, too, so I will begin by making a few masks, and throw them in the air fryer, to determine the maximum temperature I can use to sterilize them.
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When I came home earlier, and stepped into the bedroom/home-office of my tiny hovel, I thought I had left the radiator on, it was that warm.
Nope, radiator was off.
Didn't come in through the crack the window is open, either. 22°C outside, that's 72°F. In the room, with the window cracked open, it's 29°C. 84°F.
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Re: COVID-19 AND INTERESTING TIMES

Post by DerGolgo » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:49 am

Just seen on German TV.
Study on infectious disease, undertaken before the present pandemic.

Two groups of people sick with some virus disease were sat under a big funnel for 30 minutes, and absolutely everything they exhaled was sucked up and preserved, so as to be tested for viruses. Including lesser Coronaviruses.

One group was wearing some kind of simple mask, the other wasn't.
Result: the group wearing masks, absolutely NO coronavirus particles were found in what they exhaled through the masks. The people not wearing a mask, plenty of virus to get infected by.

So wear a mask. If for no other reason that we must reach the critical mass of wearing masks where most of society will take it as normal and perhaps required to wear a mask at all times.

Caution: airborne viruses, that will float on their lonesome, rather than being transported by droplets, or that travel in ultra tiny aerosols. Only very special professional masks stop those.

Good news: the amount of virus that is exhaled or coughed out decreases with progression of the disease.
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Post by DerGolgo » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:26 am

First prototype.
The baggie ties I had waited for turned out to be a dud, too flimsy. So unwound paperclips it is.

Yes, I have noticed, if it was black, it would totally resemble one of those medieval plague-masks.
That being as it may, this way, I can cut four masks out of a single vacuum cleaner bag. So depending on whether anyone actually wants them (details, details...), I could produce over 200 from the materials I've got.

Presently, I am trying to find something I can use to weight the mask down in the air-fryer, as this lets me set temperatures more accurately than my oven. The idea being to air-fry/bake finished masks at temperatures that destroy the virus, and ideally, other pathogens, also.
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Re: COVID-19 AND INTERESTING TIMES

Post by red » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:23 pm

Found out my coworker has been admitted to the hospital. For fucks sake. I went over the timeline with my wife and a coworker, I don't believe we were in close contact after he was exposed. Needless to say, I'm still fucking stressed.

I read a few sources that stated good ol' blue shop towels make excellent filter layers for cotton masks. I'll be retro-fitting the masks I've made for my family to incorporate this.

Stay safe and sanitary out there friends. People are still fucking stupid.
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Post by DerGolgo » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:04 pm

Y'all remember Boris, and Boris's brilliant plan that the British people should build up a herd immunity "like they used to do with measles" - intentionally infecting one another?

Yeah. Well. Boris. That didn't go your way, did it.
On vice.com, Emma Ockerman wrote:Boris Johnson Has Been Moved Into the ICU for Coronavirus
Johnson remains conscious and was moved to the ICU as a precaution should he require a ventilator.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/epgw ... hvsI56OvRo

In January, I lost my father to lung cancer. I've seen what it's like to die miserably from a failing lung. I would not with that on anyone.

Boris, though. ICU beds are in really, really, really short supply. And he gets one as a precautionary measure.
People are dying because there aren't enough ventilators. It would be ridiculous to assume that anything less than three machines are kept on hand, just sitting there, just in case Boris here might need one.
Just the precautions he gets will certainly deprive other people, result in fatalities.

I lost my father to lung cancer in January. I've seen what dying from a failing lung looks like. It's slow, it's miserable, it's nothing I would with on anyone.
And even if he does slide close to the edge. If he survives, it's a sure thing he won't learn a fucking thing from the experience. Least of all, a little humanity, and a little humility.
But one can only hope.
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Post by xtian » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:43 pm

On a positive note, it has gotten so close that, we've now reached the point where I got messages from several people telling me "hey, how you doing, I've been in bed with coronavirus for two weeks, fever, sickness, fatigue, but I'm getting better now".

G.S. I'm afraid an egotic air balloon like BJ could only leave the best hospital after being treated by the best doctors saying "see ? told you so, just a flu, I got over it, now you get over it".
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Post by DerGolgo » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:03 am

xtian wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:43 pm
G.S. I'm afraid an egotic air balloon like BJ could only leave the best hospital after being treated by the best doctors saying "see ? told you so, just a flu, I got over it, now you get over it".
Yeah. Go crush my dreams, you cruel man! :P :wink:

Woke up this morning, mentally ready and willing to start mass-assembling makeshift faceholecovers. Or Behelfsmundlochabdeckungen, to unleash the terrifying power of the compound word.

Except all my limbs are ouch, and I just found I've got a little temperature (100°F).
FUCKINGHECK.
Somehow, every time I venture out, I seem to be pickung up something.
I hadn't touched my face except with freshly sterilized gloves or paws (gotta take care of my paralyzed right eye). I certainly didn't touch anything I subsequently ate without my hands, and the packaging of whatever it was, being sterilized with liberal applications of isopropyl.

Oh, and I wash my hands like a motherfucker, and I try to avoid wearing the outer shell of clothes indoors that I wear outdoor.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Did I have COVID-19 before, and this is something else? Did I not have COVID-19 before, and it's now found a way in?
Or did I have COVID-19 all the time, and my bizarre body is symptomatic only intermittently?!
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Post by DerGolgo » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:01 am

Been using my "desktop" PC as a space heater, that is running Folding@Home, for just over three weeks now.
Cracked 1 million points last night.
Stats haven't yet been updated to reflect that, so I can't tell my ranking. Had outperformed 95.1% of contributors as of yesterday.

I doubt I'll hit the top 1 percentile any time this year, as more and more people contribute.
I expect that, with the lockdown, many server farms in many companies are laying idle, not to mention millions of PCs that sit on the desks of people presently doing home-office, or no-office.
I sure hope someone, somewhere, has convinced the boss they can afford using the electricity, perhaps can write it off as a charitable contribution, so contribute in Folding@Home or any other distributed computation projects.
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Post by DerGolgo » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:10 am

Silver linings and all.

Radio reported about "homeschooling" (yes, I think they used that term), which is a total novelty here in potato. Interviewed a few children and parents about it, and how it's done via the internet.
And it turns out, the children need the help of their parents there.

See, the kids are totally hip to WhatsApp, Zoom, all those funky apps.
But their exercises etc., the work they get from their teachers to do at home. That is transmitted via an arcane and mysterious technology that they are just helpless with, need the guiding hand of their parents.

They don't know how to use Email, and they have certainly no clue what an "attachment" does, or how.

Everybody who, like me, has been feeling old and decrepit in recent years, chin up!
Our generation have just been elevated from "sad old farts" with medical issues to "the elders", with the wisdom.

The kids need their parents help with "that internet thing". Warms the noun of my hearts!
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Post by DerGolgo » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:23 am

Every time the WHO Director General opens the daily-ish press briefing, he seems to be announcing more and more celebrities who are raising money. A few times, he introduced them, so they would give a live statement before the press briefing. He just spent what felt like a full two minutes listing just the names of social media platforms on which the WHO is fighting the Infodemic, which is the misinformation and fake news that go around. Apparently, they are using chatbots to get accurate information to people. And Lady Gaga raised a double-digit-million amount of money for I believe victim relief.

The fact that they make such a point of celebrity support, to the point of giving these celebrities airtime on their press briefings, and what he lists about social media work, suggest to me that these guys are about the right guys for the job. They are doing stuff that works, fuck how it looks. That includes the WHO Director General, opening a press briefing on the bloody end of the world, by taking the time to introduce Lady Gaga, and letting her plug a "virtual live event" that is to raise money to fight the pandemic.

And when he speaks, the director general doesn't mince words.
Please don't politicize this virus. It exploits the differences that you have at the national level.
If you want to be exploited, and if you want to have many more bodybags, then you do it.
If you don't want many more bodybags, then you refrain from politicizing it.
My short message is: please quarantine politicizing covid.
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Post by DerGolgo » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:25 am

I post this here, rather than on Facebook, because I know that any nutjobs around here aren't going to go kill their cat.

Video should start at 41:30.


the highlights:
  • the WHO is aware of several confirmed cases where domestic pets were infected with the same virus that gives humans COVID-19.
  • two dogs in Hong Kong and one cat in Belgium are confirmed, while there are reports of a tiger in the Bronx zoo having it
  • a study in Wuhan province found that cats can become infected with the exact same novel coronavirus as humans get
  • all infected pets appear to have caught it from their owners
  • there is no evidence that animals can transmit the virus to humans
If you keep watching after the pet question is answered, the Director General has some choice words for people who think his pick of Chief Nursing Officer is a)too brown, and b)from a too small country. The Director General has some very choice words for these people.
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Post by Jaeger » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:56 am

Day 27

Today is my daughter's birthday. She's turning 9. Not much of a birthday for a bunch of reasons. Not only the obvious, but today also the funeral for M's grandmother. She was 102. She was born during the 1918 Flu Pandemic and she died during the Covid Pandemic. A life bookended by plagues. She was a cool lady, a vicious Scrabble player, and she deserves more dignity than the funeral she's going to get this afternoon.

This weekend will be 4 weeks inside for us. I've been out precisely once in the past 2.5 weeks to pick up produce from the local farmer's market (called in order and they brought to the truck) and to grab some vape juice as I'd been out for 3 weeks (otherwise been living on snus, which is close, but...)

I had to wear a mask to go out. M made me a couple. They’re not very stylish but they do keep me from picking my nose or breathing on anything, so I suppose that’s a win.

On the few times I’ve gone out at night to walk it’s been eerie. There’s nobody on the streets. I walked about half a mile along what’s usually a busy thoroughfare – even at midnight – and saw precisely two cars, one of which was a patrolling cop.

We’ve been fortunate that we’re all healthy and nobody in our immediate circle has the plague. We have one local friend who had a moderate case of it but she’s apparently out of the woods and didn’t require hospitalization. Still, she didn’t recommend the experience.

I can barely stand read the news, and I find watching the TV news intolerable. I’m quite aware that our current federal government is not only screwing the pooch like it’s going out of style, but that Jackass is systematically removing any safeguards that may prevent him from going all-out dictator; e.g., his firing of the third-party oversight for this recent economic stimulus package. Gosh, I wonder if he’s gonna plunder it?

I'm lucky that I can work remotely -- have been doing so for over 6 years anyway -- but it's hard to get focused when things are so fucked up... not to mention fielding the kiddos who're cooped up and bouncing around the house. I just hope there's more work on the horizon or things are going to get tight real quick. :shock:

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Post by xtian » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:30 am

yesterday was the missus' birthday, we managed to get some sushis delivered, to support our local businesses, low key birthday but we have everything we need, including a left over bottle of champagne . Lockdown is extended 3 more week, may 3rd at least. It's sunny and 24C/75F. I think it's already the third time I wash the bikes since they're stored in the garage. Glad we have a small garden even if it's nosier than an airport with all neighbors trimming grass and hedges, all kids and dogs going crazy after 3 and a half week of lockdown. I have enough work to keep toilet paper and liquor flowing and i try to stay away from the news and the incredible amount of idiocy and bullshit that is spreading on social media since day one. We took 3 short walks in 25 days but it generates more anxiety and frustration than relief. so far so good.
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