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I was under the impression that when you run afoul of one of these things they send you a copy of the photo. True, false, what?

All of the traffic cameras around me, either red light or speed/radar cameras (of which there are very few) primarily only take pictures from the rear. Therefore how can they determine the identity of the driver?
Then again, how long before a "concerned" legislator introduces a bill to make the owner of a vehicle liable for all traffic violations as an end around to close the loopholes these robot cameras open up.

Bigshankhank wrote:All of the traffic cameras around me, either red light or speed/radar cameras (of which there are very few) primarily only take pictures from the rear. Therefore how can they determine the identity of the driver?
Then again, how long before a "concerned" legislator introduces a bill to make the owner of a vehicle liable for all traffic violations as an end around to close the loopholes these robot cameras open up.

It's what they did around here. That's how, in December 2011, I got a speeding ticket in the mail. When I had been in a wheelchair in hospital for two months. Wouldn't have gotten points on my license even if the speed violation had been as severe as to make that happen, since the photo proved it hadn't been me behind the wheel, but I still had to pay.
They have also started taking pics from behind once they changed the law for who's gotta pay.
Used to by, many motorcyclists enjoyed blasting past speed cameras repeatedly, showing some appendage to the camera.
Demanding that it be proven the camera was set up correctly was, many years ago, a good way to get out of tickets. Mobile speed traps had to be carefully aligned each time, which might require blocking off the road, which the private contractors couldn't and the cops often wouldn't, nevermind the hassle of documenting that alignment. Doesn't work anymore, or so I hear, the current generation of cameras is supposed to self-align and has all manner of doo-dads to ensure accuracy. They can even accurately measure speed when the target vehicle is pretty much tailgating another one in front, only getting a snap of the plate obviously may get tricky then.

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Last I checked, yes, DC mails you a copy of the photo. I've never received one directly; only got popped on Gostaz's bike a few years ago.

Interesting to know that it's possible to push back -- I'd be curious to see if it's consistently successful. From what I understand, most folks just pay up since (I think) there are no points associated with those tickets.

--Jaeger

In CO a ticket is not legally served unless it is served by an officer of the court. It's been all over the news a few times a year that photo radar tickets can be ignored unless they are properly served. I've ignored several...........

Jaeger wrote:got popped on Gostaz's bike a few years ago.

Me too! The trick is to ignore the police officer, just as you would a ticket that showed up in the mail.

Here in RI they only have red light cameras and since they can not prove who is driving because the picture is taken from the rear their solution is to issue an equivalent of parking ticket but for $85 (our parking tix are usually $20-$25) it does not go on your record as a moving violation, just stings a check book a little.