Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:56 am

Jaeger wrote:I have a new handlebar on the way for Lilah that's fairly similar -- Trask V-Line. Hoping it'll help un-fuck my shoulders (along with the new saddle). :D

--Jaeger
Yeah, the bars that were on it weren't bad per se, but they put my hands above my shoulders and would cause my hands to tingle after a short while. Plus someone had narrowed them and the weld in the center looked like shit.
These new bars are a bit lower and narrower still, and a short ride around my neighborhood leads me to believe they are a good upgrade.


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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:22 pm

Onward and upward with the front brake project. As noted previously, I finally sourced a matching fork slider and caliper, and ordered caliper and master cylinder rebuild kits plus new fork seals. First order of business however was to remove the fender mounts since a proper bobber doesn't need them. I gotta say I bought a mini portable band saw and it has proven to be super useful. That plus a set of 40 grit and 80 grit sanding discs on my angle grinder made short work of this.
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Chucked it up in a vice, and yes I know I should never clamp the vice down on the tube, but as it so happens the tube is badly bent (this came from a bike salvage place on eBay) and I don't need it anyway, so I'm good.

The non-brake side fender mount was easy.
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The brake side fender mount is a little trickier, as the caliper mount "extends" up to the fender lug so it'll need a little shaping.
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Both fender lugs removed, and feeling lighter already.
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Now for the really delicate part, grinding the remains down smooth without over-grinding and damaging the slider itself. I started with a 40 grit wheel which cut the aluminum waaaay faster than I expected so I changed to the 80 grit but that was way too slow, so I put the 40 back on and had to ease up on the pressure and be super gentle.
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After the heavy sanding was done, I put the 80 grit wheel back on and smoothed it all down. Behold, the finished product!
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I could probably smooth this down even further with some hand sanding with higher and higher grit paper, but I am not trying to make a show bike, so I'll roughen up the aluminum/remove any clear coat and give it a coat of flat black and then install post haste. I wouldn't even bother with changing the seal in the other leg but the seals came in pairs and I couldn't sleep at night knowing I had a new seal and fluid in one fork and not both. All told this was probably an hour's worth of work, and I am happy with how it came out.
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Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by red » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:01 pm

Nice! Definitely leave it rough, adds to the overall theme.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:44 am

Final product on the shaved fork leg, all that’s left is to install it. I went ahead and rebuilt the caliper, next up is the master cylinder, add a disc rotor and some braided lines.
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It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
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"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:59 am

Well it took me this long but I finally yanked off the old nazi seat and put on something a tad less offensive, plus wide enough to fit my expanding middle-aged ass. I can't fault whoever built this old bike in to its current configuration because they took the ethos of old school DIY to some extremes. Case in point, the coil springs on the old saddle were simply cut down fork springs welded to the seat pan. With that in mind, I will probably just strip off the old leather for destruction and sell the pan & springs as a "legit old skool bobber seat from the 70's make your bike unique have some balls bro" kind of ad.
Naturally anything that is listed as universal fit means there will be some fabbing involved, so once the old mounts were ground out and new one's drilled and bolted in, I had to take it for an inaugural spin and I am well pleased with it. Proper springs are actually softer but less prone to bottoming out than cut springs. This one came with hairpins and coils but I liked the way the hairpins looked so there you have it. HOORAY FOR BOBBERS!
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It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
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"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Aggroton » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:38 pm

Sexy as fuck Hank.
I dig the hairpins too.
The regular springs move around to much laterally for my tastes.
thats a sweet bike.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Jaeger » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:42 pm

Aggroton wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:38 pm
Sexy as fuck Hank.
I dig the hairpins too.
The regular springs move around to much laterally for my tastes.
The saddle on your Enfield was/is sprung, yeah? IIRC, I took it for a quick spin and it felt weird.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by boz » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:03 pm

Nice job stripping the fuckboi hatred from the bike and the jiggery fabrication looks nice!
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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Aggroton » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:01 pm

Jaeger wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:42 pm
Aggroton wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:38 pm
Sexy as fuck Hank.
I dig the hairpins too.
The regular springs move around to much laterally for my tastes.
The saddle on your Enfield was/is sprung, yeah? IIRC, I took it for a quick spin and it felt weird.

--Jaeger

Hahaha. It was not actually. The zipties that were holding the tu250 saddle on it had broken...thats why it was moving around. :shock:
thats a sweet bike.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:35 am

Aggroton wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:38 pm
Sexy as fuck Hank.
I dig the hairpins too.
The regular springs move around to much laterally for my tastes.
One thing I noticed is the old saddle was made from a bent piece of steel plate and super fucking heavy, while the new saddle is a much lighter composite pan. Unfortunately the weight of the old seat pan absorbed a lot of vibration because holy shit my ass gets numb in no time with the new saddle, so I am thinking of epoxying a lead diver's weight to the bottom of it.
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"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:26 pm

Finally getting around to installing all of these parts for the front brake. Slipped the front wheel and mounted the disc, pulled the fork legs and swapped the leg for the one with the caliper mounts, new seals on both and now I just need to refill, torque everything back down and assembly is the reverse of disassembly. I already rebuilt the caliper and master so the only missing components are new pads and a stainless line of the appropriate length.

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It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:38 pm

Everything buttoned up, fresh oil, all that’s left is bolting up the wheel and at least it’s rideable again and I can start bolting on the rest of the brake parts.
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It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:15 pm

Today was the big day, time to reinstall the wheel and hook up a front brake!
With the wheel on, I noticed that apparently the forks were toed in a bit because the spacer that was on the axle was not closing the gap and with the button head screws on the new brake disc, I was facing a clearance issue.
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Hmm, what do I have that can be used as a spacer? What about the washers on the axle on that old floor jack that's leaking?
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Well, they're close but not quite the correct inside diameter. OK, how to solve this conundrum?
SPARKS!!
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Now that those fit, we can buckle up the wheel and move forward, literally. Once everything was torqued correctly, I took it for a spin around the neighborhood to make sure everything was right and tight.
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It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:23 pm

Once the test ride was complete to my satisfaction, it was back into the carhold to get the actual brake on and sorted.
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I forgot how stupid the design of these Harley single piston calipers are. Honestly I think I had blocked the memories of replacing pads on my old 883. Anyway, yes the caliper, master and rubber line were eBay junkyard parts, but I rebuilt both of the big components and will only run the old rubber line long enough to size up and fit a proper length stainless one.
After vacuuming some DOT5 (why the fuck do they use DOT5?) through the system and bleeding it down, I clamped the lever and will check back in the morning.
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It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:10 am

Got to give new brake a decent 50 mile run-in last night going to school. 1/2way there I was waved down by a passing car and informed that my license plate had fallen off. Looked back and sure enough the entire plate, bracket and taillight assembly were gone and just two little wires were hanging out back there. Traffic was too heavy to go back and look for it so I ordered a replacement and an extra light to mount on the right side (more lights is not a bad thing) and will probably get a personalized plate just for kicks. But seriously, who knew old Harley's shook so much?

Oh yeah, the brake. It took a couple good pulls to get it to really start grabbing but once it was feeling good and turgid I was having some fun pushing the bike a little harder than I had been up until now. Don't get me wrong, it is still a single-piston caliper and as such is only marginally better at stopping the bike than running off through a deep sandpit, but its way more confidence-inspiring than the weak, lock-up prone rear drum that I have been informed may or may not have been dodgily installed with a potentially dangerous flaw. More on that later.
It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Jaeger » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:29 am

Y'know, after coming off Athena with two twin-pot disks up front, I'm surprised how well Lilah's single pot does the job. I'd been a little worried about that, but then I suppose the brake tech has improved over the past 15 years. :shock:

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Aggroton » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:13 am

Red Loctite
Everything
I'm sure you already know
thats a sweet bike.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:20 am

Aggroton wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:13 am
Red Loctite
Everything
I'm sure you already know
I have been, as I've been working on things. I just haven't made it to the back of the bike yet.
Honestly without the tag and taillight I was more than a little stressed riding home last night and kept wildly waving my left arm to signal stops and just praying that a cop didn't pull up behind me and hit the lights (not that I would know, I haven't put the mirror back on it yet). I had planned on working over the front end with a torque wrench for good measure but was just ready to park it and walk away once I got home.
It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by jae » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:13 am

Bigshankhank wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:10 am
But seriously, who knew old Harley's shook so much?
haha, not just old harley's. I lost a rear mounted plate off a rubber-mount sportster, and the mount was made from a fairly sturdy piece of laser cut solid sheet steel (~.090-.125" thick, IIRC) that just fatigued and broke after not too many miles. Unfortunately for me I was in the middle of Louisiana when I lost it at the start of a week-long trip to ride US 129 with some buddies. Thankfully I had mounted my tail light separately instead of using the mount built in on the plate mount.

it was an older version of this one from No School Choppers: https://www.noschoolchoppers.com/produc ... ck-bracket
There, I said it.
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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:08 pm

Front brake sorted, time to unbefucker the rear end. Dropping the rear wheel out was a chore since it’s tucked in to the fender and the sissy bar “pinches” it and is narrower than the tire. Sigh, the sacrifices one makes for style. Anyway, pictures.
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Now I’m not thrilled with the wear pattern on the brake shoe liners, they are grooved on the inside of one and the outside of the other meaning the brake plate is running out of square, but it all looks good and straight so I wonder if it was fucked up but corrected at some time in the past? Eh who knows, still could use some new shoes while I’m in here.
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Oh in regards to my comment on the potentially fatal flaw on here. So the brake arm in stock config should point up, but due to the upper stay on a hardtail the geometry of this doesn’t work, so the arm ends up hanging down as it is on this bike (see 2nd picture above). The problem with this is the cam that the brake arm actuates is ramped or beveled on one end and squared off on the other, and by switching it from Up to Down the two ends switch positions. This causes the active end (which should be ramped) to now be the squared off end, and if one applies enough force to the brake lever the cam will roll over the square edge and lock itself open, thereby locking the rear brake. This would cause the brake plate to shatter and fuck up the spokes which at speed you can imagine would create a concern for the rider. Someone on an Ironhead forum pointed this out to me. The fix is to machine the square end of the cam to create a ramped profile so this wouldn’t happen. Good news is, whoever built this bike was aware of the problem because the cam was ramped! So yay, I wasn’t going to die, at least not due to that problem. If this sounds confusing, you can see the ends of the cam lobes in the two pictures below, notice that both are ramped where in stock form one end would be square.
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This has been your lesson in vintage Sportster rear brakes. Next I’ll clean all this up, grease the bearings, replace the brake shoe liners oh and along the way weld on a new license plate and taillight bracket which is why I did all this in the first place.
It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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Re: Need the Wisdom of the Disorganization

Post by Bigshankhank » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:38 pm

Well today was fucked with working on a new shit box for my son to drive since he can’t seem to keep himself from wrecking the nice cars we buy him. Ok, so a late 90’s Mitsubishi Mirage with the little engine and a lot of rust it is. Things needs new shocks but I honestly think the ones on it were OG because they were fucking stuck on there. I got all four struts out and pulled the springs and hardware, gotta clean up the coils and reassemble everything then put in a new timing belt so the engine doesn’t shit the bed anytime soon. If we’re going to make him suffer with a shitty car, I want it to last a while.
Parenting older kids presents interesting challenges.
It's time for Humankind to ditch the imaginary friends of our species' childhood and grow the fuck up.
-Davros

"Lasse mich deine Seele dem Herrscher der Finsternis opfern"

Let me sacrifice your soul to the ruler of darkness

Always carry a bottle of whiskey when you travel in case of a snakebite. Futhermore, always carry a small snake.

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